Politician who won't say "God" in recall protest in CO

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A recall election is now set for an Estes Park, Colo., trustee who refuses to stand up and recite the Pledge of Allegiance during the Town Board meetings.

"I have not been standing for the Pledge of Allegiance due to a conflict I have with the wording of the pledge, specifically the words 'under God,'" Councilman David Habecker said.

Habecker said it's a violation of church and state to include the words in the pledge and for that reason, he won't stand.


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shut up
Posted by Anonymous on 2004-12-17 09:07:19
My school does not say the plege any more because
of people being fended. but u know what i say about that shut up if you don't likeit then move out of the country. It shows our respect to our country people. I wouldn't care if we had to say something for someone whos religon is different.
To make them more comfortable.
it's called freedom of speech
Posted by Anonymous on 2004-12-17 12:00:13
That's the little thing that says you can tell us to shut up, but we don't have to. And we definitely don't have to swear an oath that violates one of the other tenets of the Bill of Rights, separation of church and state.

It's not about being offended. It's about violating the Constitution of the United States. Not violating the Constitution is a rather better way to show respect for our country than parroting a few words that sound patriotic, or suggesting that people with opposing viewpoints should leave the country. This country was founded by people who had to do just that--leave their own countries to express their different beliefs.
the Pledge and Jehovah's Witnesses
Posted by Anonymous on 2004-12-20 13:24:21
There are some interesting historical insights into the vilification of those that have problems pledging an oath of allegiance to a colored piece of cloth. Perhaps first and foremost is that until 1935, those saying the US pledge, which did not contain the phrase"under God"(this was put into it during the Cold War in 1956), were required to raise their arm in an affirming salute. Hitler liked it so much he used it and the US changed to putting the hand over the heart, later to standing at attention.
Jehovah's Witnesses, and members of a couple of other evangelical christian religions, founded in the US, are proscribed from saying the pledge, and other "patriotic" acts, because such acts put the country above their gods. Interesting paradox for a so called christian population. And it needs to be remembered that before Hitler exterminated the jews he killed off the communists and jehovahs witnesses first. I guess from reading the "shut up" post, some here are ready to do that to their neighbors.
Finally, Ch3ap v1111agrra!!!
Posted by Anonymous on 2004-12-20 13:33:08
In Korea, only old people join town councils.
Posted by Demosthenes on 2004-12-24 14:54:54
GOOD FOR YOU MR.HABECKER

Cheers,

Ryan
P.S. How old are you shutup?
Tolerent and Happy
Posted by Anonymous on 2005-01-08 09:42:05
Stick to your beliefs Mr. Habecker and be prepared for the unhappy and untolerent folks in your town to give you the boot. They wont be satisfied until they do and much like Germany under Hitler, they wont realize they're wrong until it's too late.

Good job and stay seated as long as you want!

And to Mr. Shutup, congratulations, you would make a perfect Nazi.
free
Posted by Anonymous on 2005-01-15 13:22:25
We as americans have a right to not have to pledge to a certain god or put up with people that constantly silence us. As for the bum tards and rednecks that are so infatuated with the idea that if you dont like it you can leave. Those are the people who are afraid of change or human rights succeeding something as miniscual as the pledge.
 

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